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Tuesday, April 7, 2015

Maatukathe III Session 3


Maatukathe III Session 3 
04.04.2015
Minutes: Shashikala Srinivasan

Reading a Classic


The class began with two questions: What is a classical text and why must we read it? Secondly, if the classical text is from another period (which it most often is), what kind of problems do we confront when we read it and how do we overcome the difficulties in accessing the text? 

The discussion on the first question led to the following points. We read classics because they are conferred the place of being great works by a tradition (or a culture). They are important to a culture because they set standards and represent the best and most important thoughts of a tradition. To recognize that it is part of our tradition is also to simultaneously recognize that it has influenced us and continues to influence us in significant ways. In other words, it is part of our cultural inheritance which has played a role in our formation and is considered part of the “educated discourse.” In order to illuminate the notion of an educated discourse, a contrast was set up between “pass the salt and pepper” kind of talk and an elevated saying like “sambhavami yuge yuge.”  The latter is seen as part of our educated discourse. The Idea of going to a classic then is to reflect on notions of an educated discourse which, with or without your knowledge, cultivates in you an attitude in the way you go about the world.  Further, it was noted that “the educated discourse” is not a distinction made between people (as in “the educated lot” and “the uneducated lot”) but within the language we use. Our educated discourse is that part of our everyday language which has traces of tradition – in terms of diction, institutions, modes of thinking, vocabulary - and can be considered to have their roots in classical traditions. The question of whether the educated discourse is an explanatory layer over everyday language or whether it is constitutive of and is embodied in the distinctions of everyday language (where the distinctions are available as actions but not as explanations of those actions) was raised by the participants. The question was resolved by equating the educated discourse to what we can call the reflective reconstructions of a culture that influences the way people go about their world. Thus, reading a classical text (whether written, oral or performative) gives us access to this reflection by making available the methodological distinctions and bringing into focus the distinctions of the educated discourse. This provides us with a clearer understanding of our actions and the way we go about the world.

We can put a classic to test by confirming its influence in different periods of time. However, even while we attempt to conceptualize these influences, we must be prepared to encounter modes of thought and reflection that are different from ours. Just as people from the same background are likely to talk the same idiom but when we meet different people from different backgrounds, different idioms and alternatives are generated, similarly, when we revisit a classic which is from a different time and period, we are bound to encounter modes of thinking that we are unaccustomed to. The more remote the classical text, the more likely we are to construct an alternative to what we are accustomed to. Therefore, the objective must not be seen as one of “recovering” the past but one of illuminating our present and making alternative models available for our contemporary world. The access to different modes of thinking would help us expand the range of possibilities about what it means to be a human being today.

The task of constructing alternative modes of thinking from the classical traditions requires that we have some idea of the various difficulties we may confront while accessing the classical text, leading to a discussion on the second question posed in the beginning of the class. We must remember that the milieu from which the classical text comes is different from ours and so are its concerns. We must necessarily, therefore must distance ourself from what we are accustomed to, in order to be able to understand the text. We must desist from projecting contemporary themes and meanings to the past works. The terms we encounter may mean differently. For instance, in Nussbaum’s “Saving Aristotle’s Appearance,” an instance of a classical text chosen for study, words such as phainomena or appearances, paradeigmata, puzzles, endoxa mean differently from what we think them to mean today. Most scholars remain inattentive to this difference in meaning and this leads to various kinds of misinterpretations. This frustrates our initial aim of accessing the classical text. Art of interpretation here then, is “to walk on the edge” for while we cannot help make Aristotle (or any other classical text) our contemporary, we must also remember not to make the mistake of making Aristotle our contemporary. To conceptualize these differences and similarities then is the function of reading a classical text. In this way, we enter into a genuine conversation with the text rather than to agree or disagree with what it is being said in it or from the point of view of judging it as right or wrong in terms of what it says.

Post Lunch Session: Saving Aristotle’s Appearances
The post lunch session took up the article “Saving Aristotle’s appearance” by Martha Nussbaum. The purpose was to illustrate what it means to read a classic and what are the interpretative tools that required. A close reading of the text, with attention to various kinds of words, their meanings and distinctions that are systematically built up by the author was the main focus of the exercise. Within what intellectual tradition does “Saving the Appearance” gain its meaning and why do appearances need saving was discussed in detail. In order to understand our current scientific methods we must reflect on the elements of our educated discourse and the long tradition of reflection on scientific method that is present. When Aristotle claims that his aim – in science, metaphysics and ethics – is to save appearances and their truth, he comes from an intellectual tradition that preserves appearances. In doing this, Aristotle was opposing the Platonic and Socrates’ line of thinking which opposed the realm of human society, the phainomena or appearances (and the cognitive states associated with them) to an extra-human realm/activity which was considered to supply us with paradigms that are purer than we are. In this platonic tradition, the opinions of imperfect, finite, limited human beings was seen as being incapable of providing evidence for truth. Nor was the world of appearances seen as capable of providing truth with its “witnesses” and paradigms (to be understood as a style or mode of thinking).  In the platonic tradition, to do philosophy then is to take the “long road to truth” where the true, real and genuine understanding are to be found outside human societies and appearances are always deemed to be false. The identification of the “pure and unhypothetical point” which is not relative to human society and language, in the Platonian tradition, is seen as the only starting point of science. Aristotle challenges this tradition by arguing that the true and real are to be found only inside appearances (within human societies, within what we say, see and believe) and not by resorting to any extra-human acts. Even the first principles of science are arrived at by ordering the mass of contradictions from appearances through a dialectical practice (through dialogue and resolving of contradictions) and not from an apiori principle which have their origins in special rational acts of intuitions. The first principle, “witnesses” and paradeigmata or the modes of thinking, Aristotle claims, are all to be found (or arrived at) within appearances. Appearances is all there is. It follows from this that scientific thinking then is not opposed to ordinary ways of thinking we perform in our everyday life but an accentuation of it. The difference is of a degree and not kind.

The title of the article indicates that Nussbaum is of the opinion that Aristotle’s notion of appearances needs “saving.” In what sense is Nussabaum “saving Aristotle’s appearances” was discussed in detail. First, Nussbaum saves Aristotle’s appearances by showing how it was misinterpreted by the Baconian, empiricist tradition to mean “hard data”, in the sense of interpretation-free data. However, this is to project later developments onto the Aristotelian notion of appearances.  Aristotle’s phainomena, which meant “what people believe and say,” made no distinction between data obtained by pure perception and beliefs of a community. Instead it involves the notion of experience which includes what a human observer perceives as his world, using his/her cognitive faculties (or Kritika) which involves making distinctions in the act of going about one’s life. Nussbaum challenges the dominant, Baconion interpretation through a textual analysis of Aristotle’s works to make available Aristotle’s notion of appearances to us. Secondly, she defends his methods which are confined to appearances. Aristotle methods follows setting up a puzzle (another important term, which consists of bringing the contradictory views of various people on an issue to the surface) and a way to think through what various people say, marshalling various considerations in such a way that we are left with no contradiction. The method of “appearance saving” therefore requires intellectual commitment to the principle of non-contradiction and maintaining consistency. Most importantly, it includes a return to phainomena and showing that our account preserves them as true. How endoxa, best understood as a pre-propositional articulation, is interpreted as “beliefs” (which are propositional) by Nussabum was pointed out. This provides us with an interesting example of how one of the most respectable scholars of Aristotle, despite her explicitly stated aim of being faithful to meanings of various terms as used by Aristotle, can still miss something important. This throws into sharp relief the kind of difficulties we are likely to face when we are reading a classical text. An account of how and why this misinterpretation happens by Nussbaum and a detailed discussion and analysis of the section on Aristotle’s method was postponed to the next day of the workshop.

Sunday, June 1, 2014

Maatukathe I Session 8


Maatukathe I 
Session 8 (?)
Minutes: Chaitra Mathighatta 

 Comparative Science of Cultures
  • Social Sciences – is investigating society. I.e. where and when do we demarcate one society from another? There are three approaches to investigate societies.  They are

1.       Customs and worldviews

2.       Focus on production (technologies) and relations of production (political and legal structures)

3.       Capabilities, Institutions, text discourses and traditions

These approaches more are less use meta-level categories to deal with object level – questions

  • Societies are not self enclosed. How do we recognize a society and what are the purposes for which we do that? Is one of the crucial issues and an idea of the historical growth of the study of society would probably help us in making aware of why such a question is being asked.

  • First approaches to study societies begin in 18th century. This can be study of societies in European traditions. It starts with the study of customs and worldviews. These approaches were also helpful in facilitating the smooth administration of colonial bureaucracy. It can also be said that study of customs and worldviews were initiate to administer people of the colonies and many of the scholars who studied these societies were themselves administrators. The idea of “worldview” comes from Bible and it was thought that Church is the institution which facilitates the formation of worldviews amongst people. Genesis in Bible was the basis for the worldview. European scholars were keen on finding similar things about India.

  • The second approach to study society was using “production relations”. This approach began to gain momentum with the wake of industrialization. It was embedded in the notion of production (technology) as a means to satisfy the needs of people. (Ex. Europe had a feudal mode of production and India had Asiatic mode of production)

  • Third approach, which needs to be established properly, is “capability” approach. Here capabilities are much larger conceptions than mode of production. It involves capabilities, institutions and text – traditions (It must not be confused with Amartya Sen and Martha Nussbaum’s “capabilities” as they are more or less contractual obligations. It is different from capabilities to study societies). Here say “custom” serves as a concept to investigate an object level question. In this approach, if we try building an idea of how to study society, following logical mode of investigation can be built.
Let us ask a question, what colour Indians wear when they mourn?
  • This question is an observant level question and not a participant level one. Therefore we must begin with ideas from Europe.

1.       Black is the colour of mourning in Europe

2.       What is the colour of mourning in India?

3.       “X” is the colour of mourning in Europe

In this case “X” – is subject of predicate, “X” – is variable

  • Let us take some topic now to move further like Subject and Friendly. Chetan is Friendly – in this case “Chetan” is subject and “Friendly” is Predicate. One can now ask, what is subject? Here it is “Chetan”. One can ask whether it is “Person” (Chetan) or the “term”. Subject and Predicate must be treated as the identifying and differentiating expressions.

  • “Variable”:
Chetan is friendly
         X is friendly

         X is variable

  • Definite and Indefinite descriptions: Let us examine some sentences

A Bangalorean is friendly – means someone is a Bangalorean and he is friendly 
The Bangalorean is friendly – There is one definite person, he is a Bangalorean and he is friendly.

  • Definite and Indefinite descriptions as identifying expressions:

A Bangalorean is friendly – There is X, X is a Bangalorean and X is friendly

Bangaloreans are friendly – can be quite indefinite

-          Any Bangalorean is friendly

-          If X is a Bangalorean, X is friendly

The Bangalorean is friendly

-          There is one definite person, he is a Bangalorean and he is friendly

-          There is one definite X (There is only one X), X is a Bangalorean and X is friendly

Here Bangalorean are friendly does not have existential significance as it refers to a class. One really do not assume that there is such a class. To make it clear further, Bangaloreans are friendly defines a class, but does not assume that there are member who belong to the class called Bangaloreans. It is a property definition of a class called Bangaloreans.

  • Let us get back to Colour of Mourning – What is the colour of mourning in India?

“Black” is the “colour of mourning” in Europe

“X” is the “colour of mourning” in Europe

“X” is the “Y” (Here “X” is variable and “Y” is predicate)

“X” is the “colour of mourning” in “Y” (“colour of mourning” is predicate and X & Y are variables)

  • Object V/s meta predicate (can refer back to previous class)

Example: “Truth” is a Meta – predicate because it is attributing a quality to a statement or a description. Similarly “exists” is also a Meta – predicate.

  • Transition from object to Meta level

“Flying Horse” exists – the sentence asserts that the description or predicate “Flying Horse” exists. Here the Flying horse alone does not mean anything but it exists means an assertion. In this case the existence is parasitic on something (flying horse here) and therefore “exists” becomes a meta-predicate.

Cultures vary variously:

Generating meta-predicates of different sorts as search tools in enquiry of different (other) cultures is a challenge. For example in case of mourning one can formulate following problems

-          If there is mourning, are there colours to represent it?

-          If there is a death in a family, what other alternative features than mourning be represented by wearing of black can be found?

These tools lead to profoundly different descriptions of the world of Indian rituals for example. Following case can illustrate a different story with wearing different colour cloths.

-          Wearing white is a sign of leading a life of renunciation in the face of death of near one

-          All auspicious acts/rituals are done with wearing white

Now with the above example, we can go back to the question of cultures. If cultures vary variously, can “religion” be one of the factors absent in other cultures.

This is completely different from the regular questions of sociology. This is not what other religions than Christianity governs the life of people in other cultures?

It is all about, what are the ways other tha religion can be found as generative of practices in other cultures?






Maatukathe I Session 7

Minutes of Session 7? : 30.03.2013
  • Brief outline of previous session
    • Knowledge is a cooperative activity, the stress is on making something together
    • Knowledge requires and implies institutions at the macro and micro level
      • Institution building happens at various levels: Notation (formalising)- reciting mantras, making music; logistics- spatio temporal coordinating; and modes of initiation and mentoring
      • Institutions require cultivating Intellectual virtues: the constant problem for Indian institutions is cultivation of such virtues. most institutions here lack systematization, coordination and the correct identification of resources
        • Its not useful to make a distinction between moral and intellectual virtues (ethos involves a moral notion as well)
    • Capabilites and World views
      • Capabilities are constituted by skills and disciplines, their modes of organisation are not always visible
      • One has the task of conceivig ways to investigate them, make them evident: For instance to ask in what ways capabilities and world views present themselves; whether or in what way world views are weaved into institutions
      • Marxists have focused on 'forces of production' but they have often ignored institutions and capabilities that sustain such forces of production
      • The task of development is to do things in such a way that suffering is reduced and capabilities are restored
    • Writing/ Reading as an institution
      • writing as a deed or an act
      • attention is needed to its composition, not just communication
      • Requires institutions of apprenticeship and initiation - to be aware of standards, to cultivate appreciation for certain texts
    • Reading is a mode of conversation
      • it is a reflective action- thinkingly doing something
      • It is talking to someone from a different time and place with a different focus than one's immediate concerns
      • It must make the text yield some answers to your questions
      • Its important to sift what the main worry of the text is in order to arrive at significant distinctions
    • There are two modes of apprehending institutions and its accompanying discourse
      • I. Narration II. Social Sciences
  • Some remarks on Ancient Greece and its Institutions
    • Aristotle's notion of 'zoon politikon' contains implications that man forms associations by nature and tries to live well.
    • In his Cratylos, Plato raises a question about law and speech- are they founded on agreement or in nature? Are they conventional or generated?
    • Plato argues that language is not merely setting conventions, but generating a system of definitions or rules.
    • In the Greek notion community was divided into 3 spheres: Oikos (household)- the sphere of necessity, Polis( city council)- sphere of freedom, and thus space for deliberation, and Agora (public square) - place for gathering, for markets, festivals and discussions
    • It also had institutions like the symposium, and many schools which taught rhetoric and dialectic
  • Dworkin on 'Is Law a system of Rules? - Discussion I
    • Dworkin takes on the positivist view of law in this essay. Positivists deal with only that which is positively observable. For instance scientific theories are a summation of observations. In the case of law such observables are rules
    • Dworkin asking if the positivist view of law as a system of rules best captures law as a practice; for instance how do you observe the functioning of law in a perfectly well behaved community?
    • The basic tenet of positivist conception of law by Austin is that society forms certain rules and it is enforced by a sovereign, or some person who has the power to enforce such rules. He sorts such rules into legal, moral and religious
    • Where is the source of Austin's idea that the authority commands law?
      • Medieval christian theologians worked with categories received from Aristotelian scholarship. but for the Greeks, ruling the world was techne not episteme
      • The christian theologians transformed the city into the 'city of God' - polis became cosmopolis, and thus law becomes command
      • Austin conceptually goes back to the Natural Law but by rejecting the idea of natural law (as rooted in the sovereign and his commands)
    • H.L.A Hart introduces a refinement in Austin's theory with what he calls rules of recognition.
    • At a given point of time standard of behaviour can be understood and the deviation from it can be seen
    • Dworkin makes a further distinction between rules and principles- by which he means standards other than rules. principles cannot be seen as right or wrong, while rules are absolute with exceptions.
    • An example of standards operating can be seen in the activity of literary criticism. Literary criticism does not show us judgements in itself, but shows the process of arriving at certain distinctions.
    • Law always speaks to the society’s, people’s conception of a good life, and expands notions of standards. It keeps the society;s good and intuitions of justice alive. Law is not an arbitrary doing and making, but in the process of legal practice something more than rules are discovered.
    • Rules can be condified, while principles are intuitions of society, that which is in excess of rules
    • Law works on interpretations, but principles are more than rule interpretation

Maatukathe I Session 2

Minutes of Session 2: 24.02.2013
  • The dynamic of Knowledge and ignorance
    • Knowledge as a skill to make distinctions between things
    • Knowing the "ignorance of ignorance"
    • Acquiring the 'range of knowledge' of ignorance
  • The idea of an educated man
    • How to shape the intellectual abilities of individuals?
    • How to shape the intellectual landscape we live in?
    • Distinction between intellectual virtues and moral virtues: Although some say that intellectual virtues implies moral virtues our intuitive tendency would be to doubt it.
    • The distinction between 'individual' and 'community'
      • An individual is constituted by relations and and these include internal and external relations
      • Social Contract theories explain the relationship between individuals using an external-relationships model (of utility, interest and so on)
      • The good life constitutes a habitat
        • Family, jaati
        • Community (geographical, confessional etc)
        • State, nation-state
      • The general question for building a habitat includes the question of nation-building
        The idea of citizenship and its implications
        • What is it? Is it needed? If yes, why?
          • Nationalism could be seen as a response to the French Revolution. Whereas, the French Revolution was made in the name of the "Rights of Man", nationalism, especially in its German variety, emphasizing the idea of the volk culture as against the court culture (represented by the French Aristocracy), was made in the name of the "Rights of the People". the assumption here was that every volk, every people have a special characteristic realized in its language, literature and customs. Citizenship defined in terms of rights now becomes a semi-ethnic characteristic
  • Sketching an intellectual landscape
    • What role is assigned to writers? What do they write about?
      • They recreate experience which involves the capacity to take another perspective
      • Novel: Reconstruction of a plausible view of a cross-section of lived experience or a life experience-able
    • Idea of Reconstruction
      • Making of an individual involves
        • the shape of the ethos
        • the gestalt of the competencies available
        • making links between different institutions during a time: a history of an epoch
      • An Aristotelian distinction
        • The made versus the generated
        • Artifact versus nature
        • Is the City 'made' or 'generated' and similarly, is an individual 'made' or 'generated'?
          • The idea of shaping one's life as an artwork
      • Every doing has a co-relative aspect of happening
        • Doing and encountering happening
        • Skill is the ability to control the happening aspect so as to serve one's aim
      • The distinction between artisanal and artistic ability in making things
        • What kind of attitude should we instill in an individual?
        • Relationship between a personality and his times
        • Reconstruction of nature: assumes that nature is an artisanal product of the Great Artisan
      • The relationship between history and fiction: the question is not quite what characteristics define the one as against the other form but when is it judged as one or the other
        • based on one's criteria of truth
        • by our mode of reading, i.e., what we bring to it as an attitude
        • not by its textual features alone but by what features we attend to

  • Discussion on the making of Gandhi
    • The importance of the social network in bringing about the social revolution of Gandhi
    • The international currency of ideas from which Gandhi borrows
    • What is the kind of intellectual network that Indian national movement provided for intellectuals? How is it different from a network today? Would a similar social network like the one put together by Gandhi be conceivable today?
    • Today networks seem to be transformed into associations (like language associations and caste associations) providing a semblance of a cultural motive and 'interest' which may not be the case with the networks of the Gandhian era.