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Sunday, July 10, 2016

Maatukathe IV Session 7

Maatukathe IV Session 7
30.05.2016
Mythic Society, Bangalore 
Minutes 


  • Research Involves operating with concepts
  • Conceiving knowledge: perception vs. action oriented 

Perception-Oriented Approach 

  • Language and sense-perception are media of knowledge 
    • Through language: not accessible to all (particular medium) 
    • Through perception: accessible to all (universal medium)
  • Intelligibles vs. sensibles 
  • Intellect vs. senses
    • Reason or intellect makes available the essence or nature of objects 
    • A universal language of thought underlying the particular languages that people use 
    • Theory as revealing the world of (ideal) objects, the intelligibles - the ideas, essences and nature 
    • Theory construction as removing impediments to intellection 
    • Objects and agents are prior to action
    • Perception exhibits the agent - action - object scheme. 
    • Cognition is either 
      • an action by an agent on an object (making), or
      • an effect on an agent by the object (causation or by god)
Action-Oriented Approach
  • Action is prior to agents and objects
  • Perception is a learnt skill (or action) (Cf: C S Pierce)
  • The features and objects are distinguished depending on the practical task at hand
  • Even the recognition of the practical task depends on training and the skills we possess
  • Leant schemes of distinctions are at work while perceiving 

Action: Two Constitutive Relationships
  • Means-Ends
  • Means-Objects (objectives: objects are not independent of objectives
To identify and deal with objects is to operate with conceptual means. 

Action and Articulation
  • Calling for action: "Fire!"
  • Draw attention to features: "The tree is uprooted"
  • Articulation also through gestures, graphs, maps, drawings etc. 
Action and Sign Action 
  • Doing and showing 
  • Actualisation vs. Schema 
  • Performing vs. Cognizing 
Action in its schematic aspect is a sign. When the action is looked at as designed to be a sign, then it is a sign action. by iterating this, even in sign-action, one can distinguish "performing" from "cognizing" aspects. 

Knowing a fact versus understanding a concept 

- Things made vs. Things generated
- Use objects vs. Sign objects
- Making vs. Representing 
- Object talk vs. Meta talk
- Talk involving reflection and attention to ways f saying 
- Introduction of terms 

Talk: Subject and Predicate 
  • Singular Statements: "Wall is white"
  • Making statements by applying a predicate to a subject unleashes a host of implication threads. 
  • Talking attentively and reflectively versus meta-talk 
  • Construction, reconstruction and representation 








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